LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
Issue No.33 - Monday December 23, 2002
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Index to Today's Digest
01 Re: Radiation in gem materials
02 Re: Monster dops and advertisment
03 Re:Cab cutting on Raytech
04 teach or learn to read a vernier!
05 Re: 1" glass topped gemstone boxes
06 PINK ZIRCON NEWS
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:59 +0000
"What I am concerned about is small dosages over long periods
of time. I
buy my rough in kilo quantities and it is sometimes stored for years
I cut it. I am concerned about small dosages of radiation both for
and for my customers that wear the jewelry every day. I would like
information about diseases enhanced or caused by continuous low level
I also am interested in buying the correct radiation sensing device."
I have seen very little radioactivity in rough, unless someone is
enough to deliberately facet some: http://www.gearloose.com/radnote.html
I routinely have surveyed various rough in the past because of the
regarding that "hot" crysoberyl years ago.
Moldavite is very very slightly radioactive (~10 CPM/Gram above background),
and I use this as an index as to whether it is real or not.
However, I was the
Radiation Safety Officer for a Fortune 500 for quite a few years,
and have some
very good equipment.
Some zircon will be slightly radiocative from a hafnium isotope that
occurs in the mineral. But both the above cases, were you to store
a kilo under
your bed, would probably amount to one transcontinental plane flight
As another example, we in New England get as much as 475 milliReMs
from radon and thoron from the local geology. But because of mistakes
in the past
from gem treaters releasing materials they should not have, then getting
of monitor is a good idea if you have a lot of rough stored long-term
where you live.
The models selling for $200-400 such as the Monitor 400, etc. are
sensitive, but better than nothing. Avoid military or Soviet
surplus ion chamber
detectors, despite their low prices on place like e-bay; They are
worthless for low
level surveys, as they were originally made to quantify the End Of
The World, and
some of them go up to absurd levels like 500 Roentgens..at which point
not need a counter, because all your fluorescent lights would be "on"
switch was "Off", and you would not feel well enough to
care. People collect Fiesta
Ware and live...and THAT stuff with the uranium glazes from the '70's
things to geiger counters and their owners. I used to be able
to give the Coleman
gas lamp mantle as an example of a radioactive material we often encounter,
recent years, Coleman stopped making them from Thorium Oxide, and
Subject: Re: Monster dops and advertisment
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:36:27 -0800
From: Don Rogers <Don@Campbell-gemstones.com>
I am still making the monster dops for the Raytech as well as any
machine. The price is $25.00 plus shipping.
I am also still doing the RayDial modification. Price is $40.00
Subject: Re:Cab cutting on Raytech
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:34:16 -0800
From: Don Rogers <Don@Campbell-gemstones.com>
At 01:36 PM 12/20/02 -0600, you wrote:
>I believe the Raytech shaft is not suitable as the
>thread is right handed.
This is't a problem, the Crystalite Flex disk have a 1/4 20
thread. You can also use the star laps.
>Also the Raytech motor is not very
>powerful so large cabs are likely to be tedious
This is a problem though. I tend to be heavy handed when cabing,
preforming and I can stall out the motor.
I made a cooper cup setup using a 1 1/4" plastic drain pipe plug
so I could change the cups I domed the cups in a big dapping
left a flange around the edge so the nut could lock it down.
well for cutting some star rubies a while back. With no more
I had, motor stall wasn't a problem.
Subject: teach or learn to read a vernier!
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:06:25 -0600
From: Downey <email@example.com>
1 Lucky Texan
Subject: 1" glass topped gemstone boxers
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 05:41:38 -0300
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: "Robert P. Lowe Jr." <email@example.com>
22 December 2002
>I'm looking for a source for 1" square gem boxes.
>find the round ones easily, but I have a nice case for the
>ones which I picked up in Germany. Over the years,
I've sold or
>given away enough stones that I am running out of boxes!
Rio Grande has 30 mm square (1.2 inches) x 17 mm deep white plastic
boxes boxes with glass tops. Order # 454-176/10. They cost USD$ 11.50
for a package of 30 boxes plus shipping and handling. They are on
183 of the Display and Packaging catalog (May 2002-May 2003).
Phone number 1-800-545-6566 or < www.riogrande.com
They also sell them in 40 mm square (the ones I use), 50 mm square,
mm x 60 mm x 22 mm deep, 90 mm square, and 100 mm x 26 mm x
19 mm deep.
Apparently these boxes are made in Thailand and there they cost about
1/3 of the Rio Grande price - so if you have any friends who travel
Thailand - make sure they get you some there
Lowe Associates - Brasil
Gemstones, Rough, Specimens
Tucson - February 6 - 11, 2003 - GJX # 205
e-mail: USA <firstname.lastname@example.org>
e-mail: Brasil <email@example.com>
Subject: PINK ZIRCON NEWS
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 08:21:17 -0600
From: "William Smith" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
GREAT NEWS. For everyone who as emailed me about their intrest in
getting some of this great material I have just gotten word that I
a 1000 cts of rough with the avg size around 2 grams but specials
are almost 30cts. I have a photo of the whole parcel for anyone that
wants to see the whole parcel. Just email me and I will send them
ASAP. Thanks again and MERRY CHRISTMAS, William
RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~
Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
then enter www.liccini.com
RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com
RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~
Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~
*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, email@example.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: firstname.lastname@example.org
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, email@example.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: email@example.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, firstname.lastname@example.org
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, email@example.com
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch firstname.lastname@example.org
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, email@example.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, firstname.lastname@example.org)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write
TODAY'S FUNNY ~
Subject: Letter re Santa Claus splitting his US territory
I regret to inform you that, effective immediately, I will no longer
serve the States of Georgia, Florida, Alabama,
Virginia, North and South Carolina, Tennessee, >Louisiana, Mississippi,
Texas, and Arkansas on Christmas Eve.
Due to the overwhelming current population of the earth, my contract
renegotiated by North American Fairies
and Elves Local 209. As part of the new and better contract, I also
longer breaks for milk and cookies - so keep
that in mind.
However, I'm certain that your children will be in good hands with
local replacement, who happens to be my
third cousin, Bubba Claus. His side of the family is from the South
He shares my goal of delivering toys to all the good little boys and
girls; however,there are a few differences
Differences such as:
1.There is no danger of the Grinch stealing your presents from Bubba
Claus. He has a gun rack on his sleigh and a
sticker that reads:"These toys insured by Smith and Wesson."
2. Instead of milk and cookies, Bubba Claus prefers that children
an RC cola and pork rinds [or a moon pie]
on the fireplace. And Bubba doesn't smoke a pipe. He dips a little
though, so please have an empty spit can
3. Bubba Claus' sleigh is pulled by floppy-eared, flyin' coon dogs
instead of reindeer. I made the mistake of loaning
a couple of my reindeer one time, and Blitzen's head now overlooks
4. You won't hear "On Comet, on Cupid, on Donner and
Blitzen.." when Bubba Claus arrives. Instead, you'll hear, "On
Earnhardt, on Andretti, on Elliott and Petty."
5."Ho, Ho, Ho!" has been replaced by "Yee Haw!"
And you also are likely
to hear Bubba's elves respond, "I her'd
6. As required by Southern highway laws, Bubba Claus'
sleigh does have a Yosemite Sam safety triangle on the back with the
words "Back Off."
7. The usual Christmas movie classics such as "Miracle on 34th
and "It's a Wonderful Life" will not be
shown in your
negotiated viewing area. Instead, you'll see "Boss Hogg Saves
and "Smokey and the Bandit IV"
featuring Burt Reynolds as Bubba Claus and dozens of state patrol
crashing into each other.
8. Bubba Claus doesn't wear a belt. If I were you, I'd make sure you,
the wife and the kids turn the other way when
over to put presents under the tree.
REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:
" Failure does not mean that we are off the track to success.
It merely forces us to take a detour to success."
--- Author Unknown ---
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I've lowered the price on my large lapidary unit to $700 which includes
lot of extras and I'll even throw in the table it is sitting on.
lapidary friend in Salem tells me this is a real good buy for somebody.
If I don't sell it by Xmas then I'll move it from Salem, OR to SC
I have a lap I'm hoping to swap with someone
on the list, in exchange
for faceting rough. The lap in question is a Crystalite 260-mesh "Dot
WITHOUT CENTER HOLE (ideal for someone who cuts on either a Facetron,
Crystalite "Crystal Master" or any brand of 8" cabbing
equipment with a
1/4"x20 tapped screw holder at arbor's end). I'd received this
for some faceting lessons, last summer, and which has only been gently
once (literally). This lap is great for speedy stock removal, especially
large, included areas of rough. The reason I'm unloading it is that
neither my Ultra Tec nor Lee faceters, nor my 6" cabbing setup.
make a nice paperweight, though!)
At last check, laps like this listed around
$150 and sold around $90;
I'm looking for one or more nice pieces of faceting rough, to total
thereabouts. (Beryls, fancy (orange, pink, green or yellow) Garnets,
Tourmalines and clean Sapphires are my first picks but, if you can
lap, let me know what you have and we'll take it from there.)
Many thanks, in advance,
Douglas Turet, GJ
Lapidary Artist, Designer & Goldsmith.
P. O. Box 162
Arlington, MA 02476
Tel. (617) 325-5328
Fax: (928) 222-0815
Subject: Offset Preformer for sale
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 22:08:41 -0500
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <email@example.com>
From: "Robert Edgar, Jr" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Graves sells an Offset Preformer for $46.95. We have one that
one time. We would like to sell it for $25.00. This includes
the original instruction sheets and the cost of shipping to any of
"Lower 48". Contact me offline if you are interested.
Bob Edgar GSJ Lapidary
Subject: CLASSIFIED ADVERTISEMENTS:
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:40:35 EST
I have a couple items that would make a great gift for the
lapidarist/collector on your shopping list this year!
Gem display cases and a great VHS video on mining gemstones in America!
It will take you to some famous Tourmaline mines in Main and California.
Emerald in Utah. Sleeping Beauty mine in Arizona for Turquoise
on the San Carlos reservation. Sunstone in Oregon and much more!
You can see my items on my specials page at this link.
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:12:01 EST
Books by Glenn and Martha Vargas : In time for CHRISTMAS
Faceting For Amateurs, Third Edtion
Diagrams Volume I
Diagrams Volume II
Diagrams Volume III
Descriptions of Gem Materials, Third Edition $25
Calif. residents please add 7.75% sales tax
Media mail rates: Fac. for Amat. $2.26
Any two $3.10
Will advise on non US delivery
Contact Jerry Newman at:
PS regarding the Vargas Pol-A-Gem laps: They are all gone for
Glenn has agreed to make more in the spring when the weather warms
up in our
desert; and will make Alumina-B as well as Cerium Oxide. I will post
list when more become available. Thanks to all who ordered over the
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:15:39 -0500
From: "Tyler Allen" <email@example.com>
I had a Nigerian friend of mine send me some rough that he needs to
out. I have two kilos of Peach colored Zircon with a little
mostly to cut melee but there are a lot of large stones as well in
parcel. Also, I have 200 grams of dark blue Indicolite
thats needs to be heat treated, last of all a parcel of 50 grams of
assorted pink/red colored Tourmaline. Make offers.
Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to
We offer a wide range of quality facet rough
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of
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Rough to Cut
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
From: "P. Miklik" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
AVAILABLE FOR SALE
Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel
Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included
Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs
Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly
included, up to 1g.
Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g
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Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6" you can charge
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and more! For photos and more information, visit us at rrgaetan.com.
For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition. It is
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.'
Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note:
The designs and rules
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."
information is needed, please contact me at <email@example.com>.
Subject: First USFG faceting list design competition.
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:29:21 -0800
From: Dan Clayton <firstname.lastname@example.org>
First USFG faceting list design competition.
Design: Hexagon or Hexagon Cushion in Colorless or Colored Topaz
Judging: Highest number for total ISO values at 0, 10, 20,30, 40
and 50 degree tilt with five degree head shadow in GemFramx will
win. Example parameters are given below to achieve this configuration.
Online designs must be submitted by January 10, 2003. Design and
cut entries should have the design posted by that date but stone judging
will take place at the OPLC Hobnob in Tucson in February 2003.
Publication: All entries will be posted on the USFG faceting list
and possibly on the USFG site as well. Designs may be included in
a USFG list CD. Designers maintain copyright to their designs but
must allow posting on the USFG faceting list site. Posting or publishing
elsewhere is not only permitted but encouraged.
Followup: Additional contests may be held for other shapes and
materials if there is sufficient interest and participation.
starting tilt direction 0
ending tilt direction 5 (default)
maximum tilt angle 50
no ( you can enter yes if you wish
but it will fill your disk )
starting file #
increment each run if you wish to save images
Values for ISO will be summed and used as ISO total.
ISO Total will be deciding factor in judging but there will be 30
points deducted for a missed meetpoint. Fractional
Special recognition will be given to most original design as determined
by team of four judges selected by Jeff Ford or delegate/s.
all work must be done by one individual. In the
case of a fractional indices or an incomplete design a design
coach will explain how the problem can be fixed and the
entry will be moved to Coached class.
more than one individual from a club, guild or area may work together
as a team. If an individual wishes coaching they may do so but
work must be done by the entrant with only suggestions by coach. This
means Fred Van Sant or some other designer can not do a design that
enter as your own. I encourage friends, club/guild members to enter
team. Do not hesitate to enter if you need some coaching. We have
mentors who are happy to help you.
for a public domain design or a copyrighted design that the copyright
gives you permission to use. You enter design with modified angles,
or deleted tiers which gives "optimum" performance as determined
total. We will post at least two very basic designs you can enhance
Design and Cut,
design will be posted and ISO Total noted but beauty of the finished
will be the judging criteria. Stones will be judged at the OPLC Hobnob
Tucson. Individual, Team/Coached and Modified designs will be judged
I hope this format will encourage design and optimization oldtimers
newcomers to get involved and hopefully develop their skills. All
entries will be posted on the site and may drive some traffic and
I think ISO Total is as good as any single value to evaluate design
performance but we will look to improve criteria in the future.
FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention &
California June 6-7-8, 2003
You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.
The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers,
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.
The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.
For information & costs regarding the
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.
Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email:
LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:
KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis
ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri)
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: email@example.com
INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields.
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ firstname.lastname@example.org.
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at email@example.com
TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: firstname.lastname@example.org
email@example.com or telephone 361-857-2405
(days) or 361-992-1296
WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!
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