Issue No.27 - Friday December 13, 2002
Moderated by:
Thurmond Moore III & Fred Ward (Gemology)
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Click a link below to post to the list:
for faceting questions faceters@caprock-spur.com
for lapidary questions lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From the Moderator:

Hi all, The last couple of digest have had a lot of technical
information. Since I am a Tech by Job and by heart, technical
content is very enjoyable for me. Lets keep up the great post.
Thanks to everyone.


Index to Today's Digest

Lapidary Messages:
01 Re: Spectrolite Rough Wanted
02 Covington 16-18" saw

Faceting Messages:
03 Re: Dichroic/Pleochroic orientation.
04 Table first/Last...Here Bee Wytches!
05 Re: Alignment Problems
06 Re: Alignment Problems
07 Re: Alignment Problems with the Raytech-Shaw
08 Mirror Facet Kit
10 BATT or REDWING for CZ?
11 Re: Alignment Problems with the Raytech-Shaw



Subject: Re: Spectrolite Rough Wanted
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:19:54 -0600
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: James Carpenter <jamesc@unconventionallapidarist.com>


I was the one you purchased the spectrolite from.
The material ranges from $0.50 - $1.00 gram. We have a few pieces left on
our website and have about 500 grams more that we can put online. After that,
we have to replenish our stock.

Here is the link:


I am running pretty low on material. I will be contacting one of my sources
soon to see if I can get more material. It is getting more and more expensive to acquire.

James Carpenter
Unconventional Lapidarist
PO Box 1458
Gainesville, TX 76241-1458


Hi James, I knew it was you. I just thought if you still had some you would reply
like you did. I purchased 5 pieces total but have only cut one. I was just playing
around one night and planned to face one piece. After one look I had to finish it
right away. I think I could get to like spectrolite over opal. It is amazing stuff.



Subject: covington 16-18" saw
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:30:27 -0500
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: David <crystalman@earthlink.net>

i just purchased a covington 16-18" saw and was wondering if by some chance anyone might have a
copy of the old instructions that i could pay to have zeroxed. i know that there are things that need
to be done to get a better cut and i was hoping that the old directions might give away some of these
secrets. also, are there any folk using this saw that might have some tips to suggest, including

david horn
louisville, ky



Subject: Dichroism
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:42:21 +0000
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: post@maiko.demon.co.uk

Orienting dichroic stones:
Here are my suggestions with regard to the pleochroism topic. Please note that I have linked to
various photos that I found on the web. I have no idea whether the photos have been enhanced or
not: I'm just trying to illustrate a point. The links are quite long and might get chopped up into
two lines. If this happens, you need to join the two lines back up again before pasting the link
into a browser window so you can see the photo.

For pleochroic orientation, firstly you need to decide what you want to do. You have various
1) Emphasising one colour rather than the other
2) Mixing the colours
3) Contrasting the two colours

1) Emphasising one colour rather than the other
There are two things you can do here. If, for example, you have a tourmaline with a dark c-axis but
an attractive green a/b-axis, you will want to emphasise the attractive colour and minimise the
unattractive colour. The facets that would normally reflect light in the direction of the poor
colour need to be cut steeply so that they dump light out of the bottom of the stone: the standard
cut is therefore something like an emerald-cut with steep end facets.

However, if you have a benitoite, then you may have blue in one direction and near-colourless in
another direction. In this case, you don't have to worry so much about dumping light out of the
bottom of the stone (because a blue stone with occasional pale flashes is usually OK, whereas a
green tourmaline with mud-coloured reflections is usually ugly). If this is the case, you could
try just carefully orienting for the attractive colour face-up.

2) Sometimes you want to mix the two colours together (for example, because you want to maximise
the yield and you can't afford to emphasise one colour, or because the two colours complement each
other). A round brilliant cut or a barion will do this, if you align the stone right.
Here's an example of a tourmaline cut by Jeff Graham. It is apparently dichroic (blue-green on one
axis and yellow-green on the other). You can see that the colour is a mix, but there are flashes
of blue-green and yellow-green.
Jeff has a very good web page with advice on dichroic stones (amongst other things). Check out
..particularly the following page:

When the dichroic colours are mixed in a stone, to the untrained eye it sort of looks a bit like

However, you may find that the flashes of the two separate colours can concentrate in two separate
areas of the stone. This is especially true of non-round cuts. For example, if you cut a pear,
light sometimes gets "funnelled" into the tip, so you may find that the tip is more one colour and
the rounded part is another:

You may also notice that one colour overpowers the other (e.g. in iolites, if you orient the stone
in the blue direction, the blue colour will tend to wash out the near-colourless and yellowish
colours, so there isn't much point in trying to mix the two: usually it's best to just maximise the

3) Providing a contrasting display
This is something that isn't talked about much, but it is important. For example, the whole point
about andalusites is that they have nice contrasting dichroism between the pinkish and the green.
If you want to provide a contrasting display, then cutting a round brilliant is usually not the
best thing, because it has complex reflections and the two colours might mix too much (e.g. you
might just get brown, instead of a mix of pink and green).


If you cut a more asymmetrical shape, like an oval or marquise, then you might get better results -
e.g. an oval with a green "bow-tie" centre and the pinkish colour concentrated in the two ends:

However, it's not enough just to cut an asymmetrical shape. You also have to align the stone so
that the colour goes in the correct direction through the stone. Contrast the previous photo with
the following one and you'll see what I mean:

The loveliest dichroic stone I ever saw was a tourmaline. It was green on the ab axis and blue on
the c-axis. I don't know exactly how the cutter managed it but whoever did it was an expert. The
centre was pure green, and it graduated beautifully through bluish-green, then greenish-blue, to
pure blue on the ends. It had a similar sort of cut to the one illustrated in the link below, only
with different proportions and more facets.

An emerald-cut can also be very good for this kind of contrasting colour display, because the
facets are aligned in two very distinct directions, so they can "aim" the light very well down the
different colour directions (unlike an oval, where you will get a bit more mixing going on).



Subject: Table first/Last...Here Bee Wytches!
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:43:56 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <webmaster@gearloose.com>

At 08:07 PM 12/12/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>When I first started faceting I too tried cutting the table last
>and was very discouraged with the results. After very few stones
>I tried cutting and polishing the table first. Needless to say
>in the last 30 yrs I have not bothered attempting to cut
>'backwards' again.
>I have a list of the many advantages if you are interested, I
>have yet to hear a valid argument against this approach.

Heh. When I mentioned it years ago on Jerry's original list, you would
think I had committed some kind of heresy, judging by the reactions.
A perfect plane surface can be cut easily by hand, with a little practice,
and by "perfect" I mean better than a few waves. This of course gives a
big inspection window to reveal flaws, etc.
When dopping to this surface, it becomes the prime reference for all the
stone's geometry, so when the pavilion is cut, the center of rotation is
absolutely perpendicular to the table.
When the pavilion and girdle are complete and polished, and the stone
removed and cleaned, no transfer fixture is needed. Instead, a fixture
holds the dop vertically, and upon this is seated the pavilion, onto
Five-Minute Epoxy. The fixture is topped with a piece of plate glass, and
viewed under oblique lighting, and the interference fringes observed. With
the plate glass (held perfectly perpendicular to the dop) resting on the
table, the stone will then be perfectly aligned in a conic dop, and
self-centered. Using any of a number of methods (Dye marker, toothpaste
and mirror lap, Prussian Blue, etc.,) a girdle facet can be quickly located
to provide rotational register for cutting the crown. And of course, the
last stars can be cut right on a 50K lap, and will come out sharply and
The downside is that for many shapes of rough, the yields may be lower.
Max Yield is not my priority. Alignment and performance is.
Your Mileage May Vary.


Subject: Alignment Problems
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:05:42 -0700
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Galarneau's" <gggemswcr@cox.net>

Just a quick note to add on to solving these problems. Check the backs
of all your laps. A lot of manufacturers and equipment dealers are
putting stickers on the backs of their laps. Peel off the stickers and
clean off the adhesive and you get a nice smooth lap. This happened to
me once and took me several days to figure out why my cutting had
deteriorated so rapidly.

Gerry Galarneau


Subject: transfer
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 02:07:37 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: bob wimberley <knapper@napanet.net>

Hi Jill,
In regards to your problem: "Our normal procedure is to preform the
girdle, cut the pavilion, then transfer and begin cutting the table. The
problem becomes apparent after the girdle and star facets have been cut and
we begin to flatten the table. Though the girdle remains even, there is no
symmetry in the table. It's off-center and cuts into the star facets deeply
on one side, never touching the opposite side...", I take it that there
isn't any problem when you are cutting any of the crown facets and that
your girdle is about the same thickness all the way around the SRB.
If that is so, and if you are only experiencing a problem when the table
is being cut, I believe that your 45 degree dop is not aligned properly.
Try putting the 45 degree block in your quill, set your machine to 45
degrees, and then carefully lower the faceting arm until the block rests
flat on the lap. Put a piece of paper under the front of the block and with
a little finger pressure on the block, try to wiggle the paper. If the
block seems to be holding the paper only on one side, adjust your cheater
until the paper is held evenly across the front of the block.
Then with the paper under the side of the block, adjust your machine's
angle above or below 45 degrees until the paper is held snug equally when
you try to wiggle it. (I have to adjust mine to almost 46 degrees.) Now the
45 degree dop should be parrallel to the surface of your lap. Put the stone
you're going to cut a table onto the 45 degree dop and cut away some of the
Now lift up the stone and look carefully at what's happening. Think of
the temporary table as a clock face. Are all the edges of the facets
running from the table to the tops of the star facets the same length? If
they are, cut a little more and look again. If the edges of those facets
are different, where are they longest? If the longest edges are near 12
o'clock of your table, and the shortest near 6, you are going to have to
adjust your machine so that more material is being removed from 12 o'clock,
even though you just adjusted the 45 degree dop to be parallel to the lap.
Cut a little, look, adjust, repeat. What you are trying to do is make a
perfect 12 point landing (or 8 or 16 or whatever) on the tops of your star
facets. What in reality will happen is that you will hopefully land evenly
on the tops of 8 or 9 of your star facets with the others a little short or
their tops lopped off. You can correct those in the polishing stage.
I hope this may be of some use, etc. Sorry if I ran on.
Napa Valley


Subject: Re: Issue No.25 Transfer and misalignment
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:28:51 -0500
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: mbegin@is.jgh.mcgill.ca

Verify your transfer block by aligning 2 dops without any stone.
Verify you machine with a monster dop , if the machine or disc are realy
flat .....
Personnaly I cut the pavillon main facet before the girdle I save time
and I get more recover from the rough.
Good luck
Michel from MTL


Subject: lap questions
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:20:07 -0400
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "cprgolf" <cprgolf@go-concepts.com>

I was wondering if anyone has had experience with the "
Mirror Facet Kit"? I'm having a terrible time getting
scratches out of my facets. I've tried dimond on AOL disks,
diamond on copper, and diamond on steel. The AOL disks seem
to work but they polish even with 600 grit. Also one last
time, do you use a water drip with copper and steel laps.
Hope someone can help because it is frustrating to not be
able to get to the polishing stage after spending the time
to get everything else correct.


There was some discussion of the Mirror Faceting product several
weeks ago. You might look throught the archives at


Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:26:00 -0600
To: Lapidary Arts <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: gembin <gembin@spiff.net>

Hi Thurmond and All,

I'm happy to see you and Paul have come to an agreement and wish to offer you,
Thurmond, all the success in the world with the Lapidary Arts Digest. You have
done an excellent job in taking your digest from that first one back in the
beginning. I'm confident you will take the Lapidary Arts and Faceter's Digest to
new heights in the lapidary and faceting world.

I still have a soft spot in my heart for Paul. He really took me under his wing
way back when and taught me a lot about faceting on the list and via private
emails when I didn't know squat about faceting. I didn't even know which side of
the lap to put the stone on or which way the lap should spin... He always has
been a prince to me.

Thurmond, keep up the good work. I wish both you and Paul well, my friends...

Doug "Rhodolite" Smith
Alton, Illinois, USA


Thanks Doug, I also learned much from Paul's Forum and it will be missed.



Subject: BATT or REDWING for CZ?
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:59:55 -0600
To: Lapidary Arts <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: gembin <gembin@spiff.net>

Hi Jonathan and ALL,

I recently purchased some Russian CZ of various colors. I wish to cut some 8 mm
to 15 mm SRB. I have never faceted stones harder than the quartz & garnet
family. I have both a 260 and 1200 diamond laps. Should I purchase any other
laps for CZ besides the BATT or REDWING?

Do you recommend the BATT lap or the REDWING lap to polish CZ?
Can the reverse side (copper) of the REDWING be used as is the BATT?

What angles should be used for the PM, PB, CM, CB & CS? Also, what diamond grits
should be used? Any tips that works best for you?

Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated.

Doug "Rhodolite" Smith
Alton, Illinois, USA


Subject: Re: Alignment Problems with the Raytech-Shaw
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:10:45 -0800
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Jill St. Michael" <jsdp@san.rr.com>

Hello everyone,

Wanted to say a big THANKS to everyone who offered information and
suggestions on our tilted-table syndrome. Faceters are some of the most
innovative, solution-minded, determined people on the planet! ("Fascinating
people" indeed, Frank!)

We've tried a few of the more immediate solutions and have actually had
pretty good success! That's encouraging. Ultimately, if we determine the
machine is misaligned, we'll ship it off for repair. Mr. Don Rogers comes
highly recommended... :-)

I'll offer an update to the saga if doing so will contribute to the list.

Thanks again!
Jill St. Michael


Yes, Absolutely, Tell us about the fix.




Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org


Facetron: http://www.facetron.com/
Graves: http://www.rockhounds.com/graves/
MDR: http://www.mdr-facet.com/
Polymetric: http://www.polymetricinc.com/
Ultra-tec: http://www.ultratec-facet.com
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
http://www.fac-ette.com/ 800-336-9248.
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com



Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org


FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~

*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, wmcnay@mindspring.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters Guild,
Don Cameron: ghgemcutter@earthlink.net
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, rockpeddler@attbi.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, lklomp@cnetech.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: tgibbs@compuserve.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
Queensland. http://cwpp.slq.qld.gov.au/afg
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, attaway@highfiber.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch chuck_b@prodigy.net
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, gemsbyj@aol.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, tfw@fidalgo.net)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.

(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write to
( owner-lapidary@caprock-spur.com or owner-faceters@caprock-spur.com )



At a grocery store
A man observed a woman in the grocery store with a three year old girl in her basket. As they
passed the cookie section, the little girl asked for cookies and her mother told her, "No." The
little girl immediately began to whine and fuss, and the mother said quietly, "Now Monica, we just
have half of the aisles left to go through - don't be upset. It won't be long now."

Soon, they came to the candy aisle and the little girl began to shout for candy. When told she
couldn't have any, she began to cry. The mother said, "There, there, Monica, don't cry - only two
more aisles to go and then we'll be checking out."

When they got to the checkout stand, the little girl immediately began to clamor for gum and burst
into a terrible tantrum upon discovering there'd be no gum purchased. The mother said serenely,
"Monica, we'll be through this check out stand in 5 minutes and then you can go home and have a
nice nap."

The man followed them out to the parking lot and stopped the woman to compliment her. "I couldn't
help noticing how patient you were with little Monica," he began.

The mother replied, "I'm Monica - my little girl's name is Tammy."



" When I was a young man I observed
That nine out of the ten things I did were failures.
Not wanting to be a failure,
I did ten times more work."

--- Roosevelt ---



I've lowered the price on my large lapidary unit to $700 which includes a
lot of extras and I'll even throw in the table it is sitting on. A
lapidary friend in Salem tells me this is a real good buy for somebody.
If I don't sell it by Xmas then I'll move it from Salem, OR to SC with


I have a lap I'm hoping to swap with someone on the list, in exchange
for faceting rough. The lap in question is a Crystalite 260-mesh "Dot Disc"
WITHOUT CENTER HOLE (ideal for someone who cuts on either a Facetron,
Crystalite "Crystal Master" or any brand of 8" cabbing equipment with a
1/4"x20 tapped screw holder at arbor's end). I'd received this as payment
for some faceting lessons, last summer, and which has only been gently used
once (literally). This lap is great for speedy stock removal, especially of
large, included areas of rough. The reason I'm unloading it is that it fits
neither my Ultra Tec nor Lee faceters, nor my 6" cabbing setup. (Sure does
make a nice paperweight, though!)
At last check, laps like this listed around $150 and sold around $90;
I'm looking for one or more nice pieces of faceting rough, to total ~$75, or
thereabouts. (Beryls, fancy (orange, pink, green or yellow) Garnets, nodular
Tourmalines and clean Sapphires are my first picks but, if you can use this
lap, let me know what you have and we'll take it from there.)

Many thanks, in advance,

Douglas Turet, GJ
Lapidary Artist, Designer & Goldsmith.
Turet Design
P. O. Box 162
Arlington, MA 02476
Tel. (617) 325-5328
Fax: (928) 222-0815
Email: anotherbrightidea@hotmail.com


Subject: Offset Preformer for sale
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 22:08:41 -0500
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <lapidary@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Robert Edgar, Jr" <edgarr@mccc.edu>

Graves sells an Offset Preformer for $46.95. We have one that was used
one time. We would like to sell it for $25.00. This includes all of
the original instruction sheets and the cost of shipping to any of the
"Lower 48". Contact me offline if you are interested.
Bob Edgar GSJ Lapidary


Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:40:35 EST
To: lapidary@caprock-spur.com
From: ACMEMINER2@aol.com

Howdy Folks!

I have a couple items that would make a great gift for the
lapidarist/collector on your shopping list this year!

Gem display cases and a great VHS video on mining gemstones in America!
It will take you to some famous Tourmaline mines in Main and California. Red
Emerald in Utah. Sleeping Beauty mine in Arizona for Turquoise and Peridot
on the San Carlos reservation. Sunstone in Oregon and much more!

You can see my items on my specials page at this link.






Subject: Advertisement
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:12:01 EST
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: GEMARTSERV@aol.com

Books by Glenn and Martha Vargas : In time for CHRISTMAS

Faceting For Amateurs, Third Edtion $35
Diagrams Volume I $30
Diagrams Volume II $30
Diagrams Volume III $30
Descriptions of Gem Materials, Third Edition $25
Calif. residents please add 7.75% sales tax

Media mail rates: Fac. for Amat. $2.26
Others $1.84
Any two $3.10
Will advise on non US delivery
Contact Jerry Newman at: gemartserv@aol.com

PS regarding the Vargas Pol-A-Gem laps: They are all gone for this season.
Glenn has agreed to make more in the spring when the weather warms up in our
desert; and will make Alumina-B as well as Cerium Oxide. I will post to the
list when more become available. Thanks to all who ordered over the last few


Subject: FS
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:15:39 -0500
To: <faceters@caprock-spur.com>
From: "Tyler Allen" <t.allen@mindspring.com>

I had a Nigerian friend of mine send me some rough that he needs to blow
out. I have two kilos of Peach colored Zircon with a little red also
mostly to cut melee but there are a lot of large stones as well in the
parcel. Also, I have 200 grams of dark blue Indicolite Tourmaline
thats needs to be heat treated, last of all a parcel of 50 grams of
assorted pink/red colored Tourmaline. Make offers.

Tyler Allen


Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough to Cut,
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from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of Beryl,
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do, why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
facet rough.

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Subject: AD
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: "P. Miklik" <b-daw@pacbell.net>

Contact b-daw@pacbell.net

Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel

Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included

Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs

Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly
included, up to 1g.

Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
zoned green
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g


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laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary supplies
at http://www.rockpeddler.com.


Gewelers Gems
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Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6" you can charge both sides with
diamond. http://www.jewelersgems.com/faceting_laps.htm


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For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
World-Class Cutters:

This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition. It is called
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.' Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since 2001,
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten. The
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note: The designs and rules
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between the
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2." If further
information is needed, please contact me at <clmoon@pacbell.net>.

Charlie Moon


Subject: First USFG faceting list design competition.
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:29:21 -0800
To: faceters@caprock-spur.com
From: Dan Clayton <dclayton@speakeasy.org>

First USFG faceting list design competition.

Design: Hexagon or Hexagon Cushion in Colorless or Colored Topaz

Judging: Highest number for total ISO values at 0, 10, 20,30, 40
and 50 degree tilt with five degree head shadow in GemFramx will
win. Example parameters are given below to achieve this configuration.
Online designs must be submitted by January 10, 2003. Design and
cut entries should have the design posted by that date but stone judging
will take place at the OPLC Hobnob in Tucson in February 2003.

Publication: All entries will be posted on the USFG faceting list site
and possibly on the USFG site as well. Designs may be included in
a USFG list CD. Designers maintain copyright to their designs but
must allow posting on the USFG faceting list site. Posting or publishing
elsewhere is not only permitted but encouraged.

Followup: Additional contests may be held for other shapes and
materials if there is sufficient interest and participation.

RI 1.61
head shadow 5 degrees
ignore glare no (default)
tilt movie yes (default)
starting tilt direction 0
ending tilt direction 5 (default)
maximum tilt angle 50
tilt increment 10
suppress VGA no (default)
concave no (default)
COS files no (default)
ISO files no ( you can enter yes if you wish
but it will fill your disk )
DISP files no (default)
exit files no (default)
starting file # increment each run if you wish to save images

Values for ISO will be summed and used as ISO total.
ISO Total will be deciding factor in judging but there will be 30
points deducted for a missed meetpoint. Fractional

Special recognition will be given to most original design as determined
by team of four judges selected by Jeff Ford or delegate/s.


all work must be done by one individual. In the
case of a fractional indices or an incomplete design a design
coach will explain how the problem can be fixed and the
entry will be moved to Coached class.

more than one individual from a club, guild or area may work together
as a team. If an individual wishes coaching they may do so but most
work must be done by the entrant with only suggestions by coach. This
means Fred Van Sant or some other designer can not do a design that you
enter as your own. I encourage friends, club/guild members to enter as a
team. Do not hesitate to enter if you need some coaching. We have design
mentors who are happy to help you.

for a public domain design or a copyrighted design that the copyright holder
gives you permission to use. You enter design with modified angles, new tiers
or deleted tiers which gives "optimum" performance as determined by ISO
total. We will post at least two very basic designs you can enhance as you

Design and Cut,
design will be posted and ISO Total noted but beauty of the finished stone
will be the judging criteria. Stones will be judged at the OPLC Hobnob in
Tucson. Individual, Team/Coached and Modified designs will be judged

I hope this format will encourage design and optimization oldtimers and
newcomers to get involved and hopefully develop their skills. All
entries will be posted on the site and may drive some traffic and interest.
I think ISO Total is as good as any single value to evaluate design
performance but we will look to improve criteria in the future.

Dan Clayton




Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland, Florida.
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118. We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank you, John Withey



Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003

You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.

The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.

The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.

For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.

Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: glennklein@yahoo.com


The Middle Tennessee Gem & Mineral Society, Inc. announces their
22nd annual "Earth Treasures" Jewelry, Gem, Mineral and Fossil Show.
There will be door prizes, auctions, exhibits, demonstrations and 30
dealers from around the US.

The MTG&MS is a not-for-profit educational society, made up of local
members from around Middle Tennessee, interested in the study, collection
and understanding of minerals, the earth's geological history, jewelry
making, and the polishing of gem stones. The profit from this annual
show and sale go to fund nine (9) scholarships at regional universities,
along with two Tennessee Elementary Schooll Earth Science projects
and two middle Tennessee Senior Citizens workshop programs.

Date: December 14-15, 2002

Time: 9 AM-6 PM Saturday & 10 AM-5 PM Sunday

Place: Creative Arts Building, Tennessee State Fairgrounds, Nashville, Tennessee

Admission: $2.00 Adults, $0.50 High School Students, Under 12 free with an adult

Contact: Will Smith (615) 366-1022 Show Chairperson

Web Site: www.mtgms.org Email: willsmith.2@comcastnet

Exhibits: Show cases of Fossils, Minerals, Jewelry, cut and polished gemstones

Including local Elmwood minerals from the zinc mines at Carthage and beautiful
Tennessee Paint Rock Agate from the mountains of Middle Tennessee

Demonstrations: Silversmithing, beading, wire wrapping, flint knapping and faceting

Other activities: Hourly door prizes and silent auctions

Dealers will offer:

Gold and silver jewelry, mountings and repair

Colored gem stones & diamonds, loose or mounted in jewelry

Crystals and minerals from around the world including our local-world renowned
golden calcites from Carthage

Fossils and artifacts including dinosaur life, marine life and prehistoric arrowheads,
along with modern flint knapping

Tools and supplies for the above

Feel free to call if you have any questions. We appreciate your help and support.



KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma city
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something like the
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis

ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri) A
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend to meet
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received an
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's FREE! ;o)
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: gembin@spiff.net

INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three years ago.
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested in starting
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields. Nice
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
J.Pysnack" <wjpin@home.com>

S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing to
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ tbird@bayouself.org. (Thom
Bird - Chalmette, LA)

MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be interested
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting and/or
cabbing please e-mail me at jennings@netdoor.com Thanks, Jim

TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is interested
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: hankswan@earthlink.net or
gemscc@msn.com or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
(evenings).Hank swan

WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also interested
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield

Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!



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