LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
Issue No.32 - Friday December 20, 2002
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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for lapidary questions firstname.lastname@example.org
Index to Today's Digest
01 Re: Monster Dop
02 Re: Radiation in gem materials
03 Re: Cutting cabs on a faceting machine
04 Bruce Bars
05 DTR lap dresser
06 Re: Cutting Cabs on a Faceting Machine..
07 PINK ZIRCON INFO
08 Re: Pink Zircon
09 Re: Pink Zircon
Subject: Monster Dop
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:19:02 -0600
From: "Dave Lonser" <email@example.com>
The Monster Dop for the Raytech sound like a good thing to have.
one go to purchase one.?
Subject: Radiation in gem materials
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:06:02 -0500
To: firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com
From: "Douglas Turet" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
"What I am concerned about is small dosages over long periods
of time. I
buy my rough in kilo quantities and it is sometimes stored for years
I cut it. I am concerned about small dosages of radiation both for
and for my customers that wear the jewelry every day. I would like
information about diseases enhanced or caused by continuous low
I also am interested in buying the correct radiation sensing device."
I honestly don't know enough on this one, but I think a friend
may be able to provide you with some of the answers you're seeking.
is Jonathan Rolfe, and you can contact him at <www.gearloose.com>
. Among a
vast landscape of other things, Jon is the inventor and manufacturer
BATT Lap (whose praises I'd sung here, yesterday) More along these
your questions, he's also an engineer whose dipped his toe into
the complexities of hazardous materials handling and manufacture
bank on his ability to answer your questions and concerns from positions
both education and hands-on experience. Drop him a line and, if
feel free to use me as a reference.
All the best,
Douglas Turet, GJ
Lapidary Artist, Designer & Goldsmith.
P. O. Box 162
Arlington, MA 02476
Tel. (617) 325-5328
Fax: (928) 222-0815
Subject: Cutting cabs on a faceting machine
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:42:39 -0800
From: "Gail Bumala" <email@example.com>
Being new to faceting, I'm making a stab here (no pun intended)
I feel quite certain that cabbing on your faceting machine could
to taking a scalpel to a steak. Of course, You aren't cabbing agate,
hematite, bronzite, etc., so it may not make a difference. I cab
flat lap-but I have cabbing laps separate from my faceting laps.
"action" of the laps is different on a faceting machine,
I think. It
just seems that you wouldn't want to wear out your good faceting
even in cabbing nicer materials. There are cabbing machines that
quite inexpensive. If you want to come pick it up, I have a big
steel arbor unit with supplies that I'd trade for a gunny sack of
cabbing materials. Ha! Bring a strong fellow with you. Would that
Olympic size pool or a wading pool? As a Lapidary and Jewelry artist,
would love to find some inexpensive cabbing grade rough such as
described. Wait a minute-you're in San Diego, right? I'll DELIVER
old steel arbor unit to you for a gunny sack of cabbing rough and
sunny day at the beach! Best Regards, Gail Bumala, Sandy, Oregon,
Subject: Bruce Bars
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:11:08 -0800
From: Webb Long <firstname.lastname@example.org>
New-Does anyone have any info on Bruce bars? I have used them in
cerium oxide, & linde-A. Or do you know of a simular product?
Subject: DTR lap dresser
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:16:10 -0500
From: Tom Pyles <email@example.com>
I recently pruchased a DTR lap dresser from www.rockpeddler.com
and used it on several of my
Crystalite diamond laps and wow what a difference. It really renewed
the surface quite a bit and the
whole big block is only $11.95. Great stuff wish I had found it
a long time ago..
Subject: Re: Cutting Cabs on a Faceting Machine..
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:49:05 -0800
To: firstname.lastname@example.org (LapidaryArtsDigest)
From: Tony <email@example.com>
I have a set of diamond wheels but I still use my faceting
machine for much of my cabbing, especially for polishing opal
and always for very small cabs. It is particularly useful for
the hard stuff, corundum, spinel and chrysoberyl.
I have a corian lap that I grooved to fit a curved surface. It
made a horrible mess cutting those grooves I would get someone
to do it for me next time. This lap is charged with diamond and
makes hard stone cabs a breeze to polish. It is my secret weapon
for putting a mirror finish on jadeite and nephrite with no
trace of orange peel or undercutting. I use my regular loose
boart charged copper laps for cutting and shaping.
I also have a set of spin on cushioned flat laps that mount on
spindle but I believe the Raytech shaft is not suitable as the
thread is right handed. Also the Raytech motor is not very
powerful so large cabs are likely to be tedious. The primary
delight of using the faceting machine to cut cabs is you get to
sit down, next you have motor speed control making precise
cutting and shaping a thing of ease, you can also calibrate or
preform using your faceting head and finally you don't get that
fine belly wetting misting that cab machines produce.
I would not buy anything before finding out how you like using
the Raytech to cab with. Your faceting laps will not be harmed
if you are careful and you only need to make a leather or pellon
Subject: PINK ZIRCON INFO
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:51:03 -0600
From: "William Smith" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL. Thanks for the GREAT RESPONSE to the PINK
POST. I have more of this material and some other natural AUSSIE
rough coming in but it will be early JAN. before it arrives. I will
the digest know and ALL of you that emailed me about the material.
have nice cut material left but all of the rough I had left sold
cannot wait till you get to see this material in hand and see what
looks like when you are finished cutting it. I am sure you are going
be VERY PLEASE AND SURPRISED. Till, they arrive MERRY CHRISTMAS,
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:41:24 EST
Hi I would be interested in acquiring some of the pink. What sizes
price per carat? Thanks, Dennis on the North Coast
Subject: Re: Zircon
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:21:56 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
From: "roger burress" <email@example.com>
I'm interested: What do you have?
Aphrodite Fine Jewelry
RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~
Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
http://webdev.archive.org/ then enter www.liccini.com
RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com
RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~
Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~
*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, firstname.lastname@example.org.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters
Don Cameron: email@example.com
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, email@example.com
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, email@example.com
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch email@example.com
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, email@example.com)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write
( firstname.lastname@example.org or email@example.com
TODAY'S FUNNY ~
These are supposedly actual signs that have appeared at various
Sign in an office: "We shoot every 3rd salesman, and the 2nd
one just left."
Sign in a veterinary's waiting room: "Be back in 5 minutes.
Sign on music teachers' door: "Out Chopin."
Sign at the electic company: "We would be delighted if you
send in your bill.
However, if you don't, you will be."
Sign in beauty shop window: "Dye now!"
Sign on a garbage truck: "We've got what it takes to take
what you've got."
Sign at a computer store: "Out for a quick byte."
Sign on restaurant window: "Don't stand there and be hungry.
Come in and
get fed up."
Sign in a bowling alley: "Please be quiet. We need to hear
a pin drop."
REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:
" God does not give us what we want,
He gives us what we need."
--- Author Unknown ---
BUSINESS SECTION: No Messages
I've lowered the price on my large lapidary unit to $700 which includes
lot of extras and I'll even throw in the table it is sitting on.
lapidary friend in Salem tells me this is a real good buy for somebody.
If I don't sell it by Xmas then I'll move it from Salem, OR to SC
I have a lap I'm hoping to swap with someone on the list, in exchange
for faceting rough. The lap in question is a Crystalite 260-mesh
WITHOUT CENTER HOLE (ideal for someone who cuts on either a Facetron,
Crystalite "Crystal Master" or any brand of 8" cabbing
equipment with a
1/4"x20 tapped screw holder at arbor's end). I'd received this
for some faceting lessons, last summer, and which has only been
once (literally). This lap is great for speedy stock removal, especially
large, included areas of rough. The reason I'm unloading it is that
neither my Ultra Tec nor Lee faceters, nor my 6" cabbing setup.
make a nice paperweight, though!)
At last check, laps like this listed around $150 and sold around
I'm looking for one or more nice pieces of faceting rough, to total
thereabouts. (Beryls, fancy (orange, pink, green or yellow) Garnets,
Tourmalines and clean Sapphires are my first picks but, if you can
lap, let me know what you have and we'll take it from there.)
Many thanks, in advance,
Douglas Turet, GJ
Lapidary Artist, Designer & Goldsmith.
P. O. Box 162
Arlington, MA 02476
Tel. (617) 325-5328
Fax: (928) 222-0815
Subject: Offset Preformer for sale
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 22:08:41 -0500
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: "Robert Edgar, Jr" <email@example.com>
Graves sells an Offset Preformer for $46.95. We have one that was
one time. We would like to sell it for $25.00. This includes all
the original instruction sheets and the cost of shipping to any
"Lower 48". Contact me offline if you are interested.
Bob Edgar GSJ Lapidary
Subject: CLASSIFIED ADVERTISEMENTS:
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:40:35 EST
I have a couple items that would make a great gift for the
lapidarist/collector on your shopping list this year!
Gem display cases and a great VHS video on mining gemstones in
It will take you to some famous Tourmaline mines in Main and California.
Emerald in Utah. Sleeping Beauty mine in Arizona for Turquoise and
on the San Carlos reservation. Sunstone in Oregon and much more!
You can see my items on my specials page at this link.
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:12:01 EST
Books by Glenn and Martha Vargas : In time for CHRISTMAS
Faceting For Amateurs, Third Edtion $35
Diagrams Volume I $30
Diagrams Volume II $30
Diagrams Volume III $30
Descriptions of Gem Materials, Third Edition $25
Calif. residents please add 7.75% sales tax
Media mail rates: Fac. for Amat. $2.26
Any two $3.10
Will advise on non US delivery
Contact Jerry Newman at: firstname.lastname@example.org
PS regarding the Vargas Pol-A-Gem laps: They are all gone for this
Glenn has agreed to make more in the spring when the weather warms
up in our
desert; and will make Alumina-B as well as Cerium Oxide. I will
post to the
list when more become available. Thanks to all who ordered over
the last few
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:15:39 -0500
From: "Tyler Allen" <email@example.com>
I had a Nigerian friend of mine send me some rough that he needs
out. I have two kilos of Peach colored Zircon with a little red
mostly to cut melee but there are a lot of large stones as well
parcel. Also, I have 200 grams of dark blue Indicolite Tourmaline
thats needs to be heat treated, last of all a parcel of 50 grams
assorted pink/red colored Tourmaline. Make offers.
Rough to Cut
If you're looking for quality facet rough please check out Rough
http://www.roughtocut.com. We offer a wide range of quality facet
from Aquamarine to Zircon. Large selections in stock currently of
Garnets & Tourmalines. Please check us out & when you do,
why not give a
try to our contest, you could win a 5ct + piece of Spessartite garnet
Rough to Cut
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
From: "P. Miklik" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
AVAILABLE FOR SALE
Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel
Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included
Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs
Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly
included, up to 1g.
Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6" you can charge both
NOW ONLINE! RRGaetan Gem Rough - Featuring excellent, facet-grade,
Colombian Emerald rough! PLUS, Chrome Tourmaline, Achroite Tourmaline,
Golden Chrome Tourmaline, Aquamarine, Spess, Mint and Malaya Garnets,
and more! For photos and more information, visit us at rrgaetan.com.
For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host
first National and International Faceting Competition. It is called
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.' Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of the
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note: The designs
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2." If
information is needed, please contact me at <email@example.com>.
Subject: First USFG faceting list design competition.
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:29:21 -0800
From: Dan Clayton <firstname.lastname@example.org>
First USFG faceting list design competition.
Design: Hexagon or Hexagon Cushion in Colorless or Colored Topaz
Judging: Highest number for total ISO values at 0, 10, 20,30, 40
and 50 degree tilt with five degree head shadow in GemFramx will
win. Example parameters are given below to achieve this configuration.
Online designs must be submitted by January 10, 2003. Design and
cut entries should have the design posted by that date but stone
will take place at the OPLC Hobnob in Tucson in February 2003.
Publication: All entries will be posted on the USFG faceting list
and possibly on the USFG site as well. Designs may be included in
a USFG list CD. Designers maintain copyright to their designs but
must allow posting on the USFG faceting list site. Posting or publishing
elsewhere is not only permitted but encouraged.
Followup: Additional contests may be held for other shapes and
materials if there is sufficient interest and participation.
head shadow 5 degrees
ignore glare no (default)
tilt movie yes (default)
starting tilt direction 0
ending tilt direction 5 (default)
maximum tilt angle 50
tilt increment 10
suppress VGA no (default)
concave no (default)
COS files no (default)
ISO files no ( you can enter yes if you wish
but it will fill your disk )
DISP files no (default)
exit files no (default)
starting file # increment each run if you wish to save images
Values for ISO will be summed and used as ISO total.
ISO Total will be deciding factor in judging but there will be 30
points deducted for a missed meetpoint. Fractional
Special recognition will be given to most original design as determined
by team of four judges selected by Jeff Ford or delegate/s.
all work must be done by one individual. In the
case of a fractional indices or an incomplete design a design
coach will explain how the problem can be fixed and the
entry will be moved to Coached class.
more than one individual from a club, guild or area may work together
as a team. If an individual wishes coaching they may do so but most
work must be done by the entrant with only suggestions by coach.
means Fred Van Sant or some other designer can not do a design that
enter as your own. I encourage friends, club/guild members to enter
team. Do not hesitate to enter if you need some coaching. We have
mentors who are happy to help you.
for a public domain design or a copyrighted design that the copyright
gives you permission to use. You enter design with modified angles,
or deleted tiers which gives "optimum" performance as
determined by ISO
total. We will post at least two very basic designs you can enhance
Design and Cut,
design will be posted and ISO Total noted but beauty of the finished
will be the judging criteria. Stones will be judged at the OPLC
Tucson. Individual, Team/Coached and Modified designs will be judged
I hope this format will encourage design and optimization oldtimers
newcomers to get involved and hopefully develop their skills. All
entries will be posted on the site and may drive some traffic and
I think ISO Total is as good as any single value to evaluate design
performance but we will look to improve criteria in the future.
FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003
You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.
The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.
The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.
For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.
Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: email@example.com
LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:
KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis
ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri)
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: firstname.lastname@example.org
INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields.
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ email@example.com.
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting
cabbing please e-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org Thanks, Jim
TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: email@example.com
firstname.lastname@example.org or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!
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