LAPIDARY ARTS AND FACETERS DIGEST
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Issue No. 2 - Tuesday November 5, 2002
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Index to Today's Digest
01 Fresh Start
02 Louisiana Opal
03 Re: Stabilizing Turquoise
06 combined list
07 Bowers Museum Exhibit
08 Laps - Facetron
09 speaking of laser pointers....
Subject: "Fresh Start"
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 09:27:24 -0500
To: Faceter's Digest <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: Bob Collins <email@example.com>
Congratulations on your "Fresh Start"... The Digest
will be a better,
more constructive, calmer, and much more worthwhile forum, under
new ground rules, without the incessant ranting and raving that
been burdened with in the past.
Your earlier effort... creating the "Sand Box"... was
a help... (it
should have been named the "Out House")... but your
new rules of
"ABSOLUTELY NO FLAMES" and "Respect other list
members by restricting
your language and watching your manners." is certainly the
Let's just have fun.
Thanks for the kind words Bob.
Subject: Re: Issue No. 1
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:14:23 -0600
From: "Criss Morgan" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I'd like to wish you the best of luck for the new
I too both facet and cut cabs, along with a couple of other areas
interest in the lapidary field. I believe the idea of a combined
list is a
good one that has a very good xhance of succeeding.
I worked most of last week cutting a bunch of Louisiana Opal cabs.
up with a total of 62 cabs of varying sizes, all of them oval
in shape. Only
30 of them are displaying a play of color, however I'm hoping
the rest of
them will "come to life" as they slowly dry out. It's
a common phenomenon of
Louisiana Opal to lose its fire when the stone gets wet. Some
of it doesn't
display this characteristic, but most of it does.
When I slabbed this material, it all displayed a lot of play of
in the uncut pieces and in the slabs. However, after I cabbed
still don't show any play of color. Yet. It would be a shame to
that much woork into cutting those 32 cabs to wind up with plain
sandstone cabs, not to mention the value lost in them. Louisiana
usually doesn't need orienting in any particular direction due
to its being
deposited between the grains of sand in the quartzite sandstone
you've never seen any of it, particularly the higher grades, you're
a treat when you do. The better grades display a range of colors
red, orange, violet, purple green, and yellow. Even a bright gold.
common displays a bright purple color that most people call "Purple
It isn't pure precious opal, having been deposited in sandstone,
the grains of sand together, but, although I've never seen any,
rumors that pure precious Louisiana Opal has been found. I'd sure
This material is no longer available due to the only know location
having been repossessed by the land owner, a large paper company,
what I understand the mine sight has been capped by a thick layer
and the site posted to any trespassing and the paper company has
now made it
a rule on all its property that mining or collecting rocks or
prohibited on all of its properties forever. Even surface collecting.
has driven up the prices of Louisiana Opal to the point where
I decided to
cut some of it that I had been hoarding for years. Now all I have
to do is
to find a buyer. I meant to go to the Pascagoula, Mississippi
show this past
weekend to feel out the market, but circumstances prevented my
going so I'm
planning on going to the Deridder/Leesville, Louisiana show this
weekend to do the same.
Maybe I'll have an early Christmas this year. But if I don't,
who gets the lions share of the stones I cut, will have one of
displays of Louisiana Opal in the country. Either way, I had lots
cutting it, and I'm still having fun just looking at it. As many
I've been collecting and cutting this opal, it still takes my
So, good luck to the new list. I wish you many years of success
Hi Criss, If you have a pic of Louisiana Opal send it to email@example.com
and I will get it on the web site as soon as the overhaul is completed.
Subject: Stabilizing Turquoise-Vol. 2, Issue No. 12 -Friday,
November 1, 2002
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:24:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Emory Davis <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Stabilize Turquoise
From: "Wayne S. Barnett"
Q: I have some turquoise that is very soft. It polishes to a
good shine but
the softness limits the use of it for most jewelry. I would like
stabilize it to make it more durable. I have no experience in
this type of
work. Does anyone on the list know how to stabilize soft stones
turquoise? I have available to me a vacuum pump and bell jar.
that it could be put in a vacuum with some resin, what type I
do not know,
and have the vacuum applied several times to 'pump' the resin
material. The material is in slabs about 5/16 in thick. Any suggestions
would be appreciated.
A: Hi Wayne, I have not tried it yet but there is an epoxy mix
HXTAL that is a remarkable compound that might work well with
"chalky" stones. It is quite pricey though. It is used
by musems for
restoration and repair work. It is a water thin compound.
My Question: Will this product also work on opals?
Emory Davis-Vidalia, GA-USA
Although I have not tried to stabalize opal with it I suspect
it would work as well as opticon.
I know of some folks using HXTAL for triplets. They are well pleased
with the results. Since
it is such low viscosity there are no problems with bubbles that
sometimes cause triplet producers
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:09:44 EST
Mostly a lurker here, but just signed up for this list. My Wife
have been into Lapidary works since early 1990`s We carve stone
in the softer stones, beads, cabs and of course we also have been
hand at faceting, We have been with the IFG list for several years
learned a lot from the banter on that list.. Our Motto in simply
Stone" We work and live at our home in Wolf Creek Oregon.
Our Question is
simply "Does anyone have a line on Gem Grade Lapidilite supposedly
from New Mexico...?" I have seen several pounds of this material,
when I`m too broke to buy it. I would really love to get 20 or
Best regards James & Sally Roberts
The Roberts Clan
Wolf Creek Oregon
WE ARE Speakeasycrafts@aol.com
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:39:03 -0800
From: "Alpha Supply, Inc" <email@example.com>
Water is a good coolant on saw blades up to 8", above 8"
created turns the water to steam. Oil must have a viscosity in
range to lubricate and cool and not hold the cuttings in suspension.
People that worry about using oil should just invest in the proper
respirator and safety equipment. If you purchase a new lapidary
manufactures require the use of an approved saw oil or the warranty
void (except the 4 to 6" range). The tile and concrete saws
under pressure onto the blade to cool, the binding agent that
diamond is different than lapidary and wears away exposing fresh
at a faster rate.
This is just my 2 cents worth.
Subject: Re: Issue No. 1
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:04:40 -0700
To: "Lapidary Arts & Faceter's Digest" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: John McLaughlin <email@example.com>
Your combined list is a great idea and incredibly well timed.
I will be
beginning faceting lessons (as soon as I shake a cold) with Dick
McPheron, a highly experienced Phoenix faceter, and I keep on
grinding and polishing cabs and making jewelry.
Your efforts embody all of the finest attributes of Hale Sweeny,
that's about the highest complement I can think of.
Thanks John, I had been intending on a combined list for a while.
its early arrival.
Subject: Bowers Museum Exhibit
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:57:17 -0800 (PST)
To: IFA Faceters Digest <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: Glenn Klein <email@example.com>
If any of you will be in the Southern California area
between now and January 5, 2003, try to get to the Bowers
Museum display in Santa Ana...just eight miles or so
southeast of Disneyland, near highway I-5.
I took in the exhibit last week, and I can assure you that
it is well worth looking at. The quality and value of the
pieces was outstanding. This includes individual stones
and carved sculptured pieces of gem material.
You can get an excellent review of the display by looking
at the report that Bob Jones did in the November 2002 issue
of Rock and Gem magazine...starting on page 40.
Or, you can check the Bowers Museum web site
click on Calendar of Events, then on Exhibitions Current,
then it is listed as Gems: The Art and Nature of Precious
and get more information about the Museum there.
Faceters Symposium 2003 Chairman
Subject: Laps - Facetron
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:33:09 -0500
To: "IFA digest" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: "Jeanne Ridolfi" <email@example.com>
Facetron comes with two sizes of laps. If you get a 6" you
can get an
adapter for 8".
Would like to correct a misunderstanding. The above was posted
#1. We have been Facetron dealers for 9 years and can assure you
Facetron only comes one way and that is for 8" laps. There
is no such
thing as an adapter for the Facetron for different size laps.
must be thinking of another machine. However, there is nothing
prevent you from using 6" laps on this faceting machine.
Jeanne Ridolfi - Rock Peddler
Subject: speaking of laser pointers....
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 18:22:32 -0600
From: Downey <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I wonder if any one is familiar with the alignment procedure outlined
(IIRC) in the TFG newsletter maybe 4 or more years ago. Perhaps
created by Robert S. as part of his retroreflector desidn series.
Anyway, it invovles cutting a retrorflector on your machine and
laser pointer to determine how far and in which direction the
is off. I don't seem to be able to find my copy but I did try
it and my
machine was off about 4 tenths degree. It was kinda tricky without
helper but it works.
1 Lucky Texan
If anyone has a copy of this I would like to see it as well.
RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~
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ILA Lapidary Arts Digest Online http://facetersdigest.org/ILA/LADtoday/
RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com
RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~
Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~
*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, email@example.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters
Don Cameron: firstname.lastname@example.org
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, email@example.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: email@example.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, firstname.lastname@example.org
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, email@example.com
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch firstname.lastname@example.org
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, email@example.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, firstname.lastname@example.org)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write
( email@example.com or firstname.lastname@example.org
TODAY'S FUNNY ~
If you're not familiar with the work of Steven Wright, he's the
who once said "I woke up one morning and all of my stuff
and replaced by exact duplicates."
Here are some more of his gems:
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.
Borrow money from pessimists - they don't expect it back.
Half the people you know are below average.
99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so
A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.
If you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.
All those who believe in psychokinesis, raise my hand.
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the
(Think about it some more.)
I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met.
OK, so what's the speed of dark?
How do you tell when you're out of invisible ink?
If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked
Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm.
When everything is coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.
Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy.
Hard work pays off in the future, laziness pays off now.
I intend to live forever - so far, so good.
If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends?
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
What happens if you get scared half to death twice?
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so
I made your horn
Why do psychics have to ask you for your name?
If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you
A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking.
Experience is something you don't get until just after you need
The hardness of the butter is proportional to the softness of
To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many
The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard.
The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch
The colder the x-ray table, the more of your body is required
to be on it.
Everyone has a photographic memory, some just don't have film.
REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:
" Take things slow.
Only at a slow pace,
Are we able to see
All the wonders that life lays at our feet."
--- Author Unknown ---
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary
Subject: For Sale
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:54:52 -0700
Large Highland Park lapidary unit. Two 8" grinding wheels,
which measures 9" across, three 8 inch sanding wheels [2
purchased extra], and a polishing wheel. The unit is mounted on
base which measures 33 1/2 inches long and uses a one hp motor
behind the trim saw. Price includes the honing tool, some polishing
compounds, and an assortment of slabs for making jewelry. Also
is LOTS of 220 grit emery cloth. This is an older but not a heavily
unit. It weighs considerable and is smooth running. The grinding
are in good shape as I had a light touch and dressed them when
$800 takes all.
I'm planning to move from Salem, OR to South Carolina where my
so I have to downsize.
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6" you can charge
both sides with
I have a very nicely rebuilt Lee facetor that i cannot use any
I made a few itarsia pieces before parkinson hit me badly. Two
diamond laps go with it. It is priced well for its condition located
ST Louis MO can go UPS anywhere USA
reply to: LKusher@aol.com
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
From: "P. Miklik" <email@example.com>
AVAILABLE FOR SALE
Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel
Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included
Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs
Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly
included, up to 1g.
Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g
Must sell the following rough - no reasonable offer refused -
Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material - 1
kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more
Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available - $2.00/gram
take the entire 300 grams
Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately included African
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you
entire 300 grams
I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from it on the
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough
You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at: firstname.lastname@example.org
RRGaetan GEM BROKERS < "Quality gem rough for discriminating
We serve hand-select (and bulk/parcels, too!), affordable, quality
in a variety of materials. Our most recent arrivals: Aug. 2 -
Spessartite and Tourmaline. For details and a colorful, interactive
(PDF), email email@example.com and ask for "The Rough List."
Hello all, I still have a Xristal-Tek87 for sale. I am reducing
because I really have to sell this fine machine. I have cut maybe
on it. It is basically brand new and in perfect condition. It
has the 8"
adapter ring on it and the dial indicator. It is a very sturdy
machine. I am reducing the price to $900 and will still consider
I am now accepting cutting orders for high quality American Facetting
specializing in Barions and Portuguese Cuts as well as repairs.
32 have been cutting for 15 years and have been recently laid
my company where I was a medical software salesman. So now it's
gemcutting and jewelry. I also offer extremely reliable, high
overseas cutting to your diagrams and specs with a 4-6 week turn
Diamond cutting and repair available two, including recutting
chipped melee. Please contact Tyler Allen Atlanta GA
For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host
first National and International Faceting Competition. It is called
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.' Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note: The designs
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."
information is needed, please contact me at <firstname.lastname@example.org>.
Just a reminder that the St. Lucie Rock & Gem Club will be
hosting their 25th
annual show at the Ft. Pierce Civic Center (25th St. & Virginia
November 9th & 10th. Saturday 10-6, and Sunday 10 - 5.
I'll be demonstrating both days.
Port St. Lucie, FL
Canaveral Mineral & Gem Society is again presenting
our yearly gem show, the Parade of Gems, November 23rd and 24th
Melbourne auditorium, 625 E Hibiscus Blvd in Melbourne, FL, from
6PM. Admission is $3, with kids under 12 admitted free.
Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on
Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland,
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118.
We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank
you, John Withey
FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003
You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.
The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.
The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.
For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.
Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: email@example.com
LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:
KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis
ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri)
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending
our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's
swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: firstname.lastname@example.org
INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields.
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ email@example.com.
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting
cabbing please e-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org Thanks, Jim
TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: email@example.com
firstname.lastname@example.org or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!
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