LAPIDARY ARTS AND FACETERS DIGEST
a digest committed to carrying on the fine
works started by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
Issue No. 3 - Wednesday November 6, 2002
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There is a new permanent section in this digest
The Business Section. Any post that conforms
to posting rules and guidelines but is of a business
nature will be posted there. It is simply an area for
list business to be carried out in our forum without
interupting the flow of information in the Lapidary
and Faceting areas.
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The web site is again being reworked so please bear with
me until it is completed. (this weekend I hope)
Index to Today's Digest
01 Re: Louisiana Opal
02 Re: Saw Blades
04 Re Saw Lubricants
05 topaz "heat treated"
07 Sapphire enhancement
08 AD Tin Lap
09 6" vs. 8" laps.
Subject: louisiana Opal
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:33:54 -0500
From: "RonSteck" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
re- Criss Morgans interesting post on Louisians Opal, I have
various articles on it in the magazines. My question is since
it is a
soft opal imbedded in a harder sand, how do you polish it with
softer part always wearing down faster than the harder base materiel.
the same area, ruby in zoeisite would present a similar problem?
Subject: Re: Saw Blades
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:17:44 -0700
From: "Galarneau's" <email@example.com>
Tom & All,
I have tested tile sintered saw blades versus lapidary sintered
blades. I find the tile saw blades to last longer than the lapidary
blades and cost less than 1/3 the cost of lapidary blades. My
consisted of slabbing agate nodules. I have many 5 gallon pails
to 3" nodules to slab. I have tested both types of blades
After about 10 pails of agates I found this to be the results.
tile saw blade I get about 8 hours of constant cutting to a blade.
a lapidary blade I averaged 6 hours. I also have never had a tile
blade come apart. Of my last two lapidary sintered saw blades
apart at less than half the blade use. When lapidary blades did
together they only lasted 6 hours on average. I cut hard and fast
time is money. I will take a $10.78 tile saw blade that lasts
over a $60.00 lapidary blade that lasts 6 hours every time.
Subject: Fresh Start
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:29:10 -0500
From: "coralnut" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Congratulations on your new endeavor. I have received the IFA
for some time now but rarely had time to read it...and didn't
find that much of interest in it. Your new digest, combining cabbing
and faceting will, I believe be more worthwhile. I mostly cab
been known to facet quite a bit too. Currently, I teach cabbing
faceting at the Florida Gold Coast Gem and Mineral Society in
Beach FL and cabbing and metal fabrication (silversmithing mostly)
the Boca Raton Museum of Art School in Boca Raton, FL. I am active
the Orchid list and previously contributed to Hale Sweeny's list.
I hope to become active on your new list as much as time will
Thanks again for keeping the art of the lapidary front and center.
Subject: Re Saw Lubricants
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:26:41 -0700
From: "Galarneau's" <email@example.com>
I have also been trying to find a new lubricant for my 18 inch
that is not petroleum based. Does anyone on the list use a 18"
bigger slab saw with nonpetroleum based lubricants? Like the lubricant
from Johnson Bros. If you do, would you share with me some info.
how long does the lubricant last in the saw? Is the saw blade
affected? How much rock do you cut before the lubricant becomes
In my 18" saw I cut rocks 8-10 hours a day, six days a week.
I run 6
gallons of Almag for lubricant. I run my saw blade speed at about
1200rpms with a feed rate of 1" every 4-5 minutes. About
every 5 weeks
we have to clean the saw. In 2 years of cutting I have almost
1 saw blade. Most of my sawing is agates and jaspers. How do the
others lubricants compare to this?
Subject: topaz "heat treated"
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:04:04 -0800
From: "Michael & Linda Lauer"<firstname.lastname@example.org>
In the old list there was some questions on heat-treating topaz.
I used my
Microwave and a bowl of flower. I put a cut topaz oval in the
middle of a
pottery bowl of flower and heated for 1 1/2 minuets on Hi power.
turned golden yellow.
It did crack the bowl, probably because I opened the door to soon.
let it cool down by itself for a couple of hours.
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:31:59 -0600
From: "Rockey Starnes" <RockeyStar@cox-internet.com>
I can't believe no one posted to my question about re-cutting
have a nice little collection of windowed stones that I would
re-cut, at least I think I do. How would be the best way to proceed?
Also, where do you get this facet finder everyone is talking about
lately. Half my stuff comes off the dop before I get finished,
sure use one, maybe two. LOL. Thanks for helping the preacher
Hey Sean if you are out there how about posting some recutting
Subject: Sapphire enhancement
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:16:05 EST
I am looking for a trustworthy lapidary that I can use to enhance
parcel Montana Sapphire that I just recently purchased. Any information
be greatly appreciated.
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:43:10 -0500
From: "Rudy Klein.B.Sc." <email@example.com>
Please go to Ebay and under "sellers" enter "henrick"
to see my
items for sale.I thought someone might be interested in the pure
Subject: 6" vs. 8" laps.
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:51:16 -0500
From: "Jonathan L. Rolfe" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
At 02:11 PM 11/5/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>We have been Facetron dealers for 9 years and can assure you
>Facetron only comes one way and that is for 8" laps.
There is no such
>thing as an adapter for the Facetron for different size laps.
>must be thinking of another machine. However, there is nothing
>prevent you from using 6" laps on this faceting machine.
Anyone with a choice should consider that an 8" lap has
nearly twice the
polishing/cutting area of a 6" one.
50 square inches for the 8", vs. 28.26 for the 6", and
it is actually a
greater ratio than that because the unused hub center is the same
Both laps take the same number of manufacturing and machining
make, and since I see a 50:1 ratio in sales of the 8" vs,
the 6", the 8"
represents a much better value for the money, and has a proportionately
longer service life.
RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~
Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
ILA Lapidary Arts Digest Online http://facetersdigest.org/toady.htm
RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com
RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~
Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~
*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, email@example.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters
Don Cameron: firstname.lastname@example.org
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, email@example.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, E-mail: email@example.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, firstname.lastname@example.org
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, email@example.com
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch firstname.lastname@example.org
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, email@example.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, firstname.lastname@example.org)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write
( email@example.com or firstname.lastname@example.org
TODAY'S FUNNY ~
Top 20 Engineers' Terminology's
1. A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT APPROACHES ARE BEING TRIED
- We are still peeing in the wind.
2. EXTENSIVE REPORT IS BEING PREPARED ON A FRESH APPROACH TO
- We just hired three kids fresh out of college.
3. CLOSE PROJECT COORDINATION
- We know who to blame.
4. MAJOR TECHNOLOGICAL BREAKTHROUGH
- It works OK, but looks very hi-tech.
5. CUSTOMER SATISFACTION IS DELIVERED ASSURED
- We are so far behind schedule the customer is happy to get it
6. PRELIMINARY OPERATIONAL TESTS WERE INCONCLUSIVE
- The darn thing blew up when we threw the switch.
7. TEST RESULTS WERE EXTREMELY GRATIFYING
- We are so surprised that the stupid thing works.
8. THE ENTIRE CONCEPT WILL HAVE TO BE ABANDONED
- The only person who understood the thing quit.
9. IT IS IN THE PROCESS
- It is so wrapped up in red tape that the situation is about
10. WE WILL LOOK INTO IT
- Forget it! We have enough problems for now.
11. PLEASE NOTE AND INITIAL
- Let's spread the responsibility for the screw up.
12. GIVE US THE BENEFIT OF YOUR THINKING
- We'll listen to what you have to say as long as it doesn't interfere
with what we've already done.
13. GIVE US YOUR INTERPRETATION
- I can't wait to hear this bull!
14. SEE ME or LET'S DISCUSS
- Come into my office, I'm lonely.
15. ALL NEW
- Parts not interchangeable with the previous design.
- Too damn heavy to lift!
- Lighter than RUGGED.
18. YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT
- One finally worked.
19. ENERGY SAVING
- Achieved when the power switch is off.
20. LOW MAINTENANCE
- Impossible to fix if broken.
REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:
" As you journey through life chose your destinations well,
but do not hurry there for you will arrive soon enough. Wander
the back roads and forgotten paths keeping your destination
in your heart like the fixed point of a compass. Seek out new
voices, strange sights and ideas foreign to your own - such
things are riches for the soul. And if upon arrival you find that
your destination is not exactly as you had dreamed, do not be
disappointed. Think of all you would have missed, but for the
journey there, and know that the true worth of your travels lies
in not where you come to be at journey's end but in who you
come to be along the way."
--- Author Unknown ---
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:37:31 -0500
From: "Doug Dover" <email@example.com>
I think we need to place a time limit on ads running in the digest.
contacted the gentleman running the ad for the Xristaltek-87 and
it is in
fact no longer available. Several of the ads have been running
for a long
time and are questionable as to continued availability. I fell
that it would
be fair to run ads for three weeks and then discard them. If the
still wants them to run longer they can simply resubmit the ad
three weeks. I agree that this is an important part of the group
and I have
purchased from ads on the digest, so I do want them to continue.
would it be possible to place an insertion date in the body of
the ad and
use that to regulate the time they run? Does anyone else have
any input of
this feature? I am not necessarily referring to the dealer information
section, just what I consider the classified ads.
Hi Doug, Welcome to the business section. I have date coded most
the ads now.
P means permanent. Any other ad will run for the current month
only. If the ad is
posted the first day of the month it would run a month. If posted
on the last day
of the month it will run for 1 day only.
Subject: Lapidary Politics (Business)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:06:36 -0700
From: "Galarneau's" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
As I read the guidelines for this list it suggests that the topics
lapidary politics (Business) are not allowed. My opinion is that
cannot separate politics of business lapidary and hobby lapidary.
can be done is enter into thoughtful and gainful discussions.
such as rough buying, business at shows, representation as a group,
interaction with jewelers, are subjects that need to be discussed.
Paul Alstead was correct in taking on some of these subjects.
incorrect assuming that he is the leader and spokes person for
lapidary community and using foul language in communications.
needed is polite discussion and organization. To be that spokesperson
he must be the leader of an organization. Lists are not an organization.
This group may not want to enter into organization. But, discussion
of the issues will benefit all on the list as everyone at one
another will interact with one of these issues. If the discussion
kept polite and thoughtful all will benefit. Honest disagreements
exist. As do dishonest disagreements. Politeness and discourse
what is needed. Not slighting, flaming, and cursing.
Hi Gerry and All, I have to agree with you and as a result
this section has been created.
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
From: "P. Miklik" <email@example.com>
AVAILABLE FOR SALE
Honey, red & brown zircons, 10g parcels @$20/parcel
Red Garnet $8/g, eye clean-slightly included
Spessartine Garnet $7.50/g, slight-moderately included
Malaya Garnet $6/g, good eye clean roughs
Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included
Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
Green/Green Blue Tourmaline $10/g, eye clean roughs
Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly
included, up to 1g.
Blue Beryl (Aquamarine) $6/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals
Green Beryl (Emerald) $10-$50/g, eye clean-slightly included crystals,
Cabbing Grade Aquamarine $3/g
Must sell the following rough - no reasonable offer refused -
Rose Malaya Garnet - deep red, eye clean african material - 1
kg available -
$2.00/gram for quantities of 500 grams or more
Red Zircon - eye clean african material - 300g available - $2.00/gram
take the entire 300 grams
Spessartite Orange Garnet - slightly to moderately included African
material - Ranges from 1.5 - 3 cts size - $7.50 per gram if you
entire 300 grams
I have put pictures of the rough and stones cut from it on the
check it out at: http://www.wintershill.com/rough
You can email me (Richard) for more info or ?'s at: firstname.lastname@example.org
Complete online discount catalog for cabbing and faceting machines,
laps, polishes, diamond saws, diamond blades, and general lapidary
Solid copper laps 1/4 thick 8" and 6" you can charge
both sides with
RRGaetan GEM BROKERS < "Quality gem rough for discriminating
We serve hand-select (and bulk/parcels, too!), affordable, quality
in a variety of materials. Our most recent arrivals: Aug. 2 -
Spessartite and Tourmaline. For details and a colorful, interactive
(PDF), email email@example.com and ask for "The Rough List."
For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host
first National and International Faceting Competition. It is called
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.' Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note: The designs
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."
information is needed, please contact me at <firstname.lastname@example.org>.
Just a reminder that the St. Lucie Rock & Gem Club will be
hosting their 25th
annual show at the Ft. Pierce Civic Center (25th St. & Virginia
November 9th & 10th. Saturday 10-6, and Sunday 10 - 5.
I'll be demonstrating both days.
Port St. Lucie, FL
Canaveral Mineral & Gem Society is again presenting
our yearly gem show, the Parade of Gems, November 23rd and 24th
Melbourne auditorium, 625 E Hibiscus Blvd in Melbourne, FL, from
6PM. Admission is $3, with kids under 12 admitted free.
Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's annual show will be held on
Dec. 14 and 15 at
the Volusia County Fairgrounds, located on state route 44 in Deland,
Fairgrounds are 1 mile east of interstate route 4 at exit 118.
We will have at
least one showcase of faceted gems done by our members. Thank
you, John Withey
FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show
Ventura, California June 6-7-8, 2003
You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.
The Faceters Symposium will feature ten speakers, who
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.
The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings that have
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.
For information & costs regarding the Faceters
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure to
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.
Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630 email: email@example.com
LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:
KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis
ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri)
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending
our next get
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's
swell to meet
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: firstname.lastname@example.org
INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields.
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ email@example.com.
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting
cabbing please e-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org Thanks, Jim
TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: email@example.com
firstname.lastname@example.org or telephone 361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!
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