LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
Issue No.39 - Wednesday January 8, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Index to Today's Digest
01 Re: Trade For Geiger Counter
02 Re: Ceramic Lap
03 copyrights and faceting designs
04 Is your design good enough to enter the USFG Faceting List
Subject: Trade For Geiger Counter
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:10:40 -0700
From: "Galarneau's" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Doug & All,
I do not trade my rough. My rough is what I buy as
my insurance that
over the years to come I will always have rough to cut. I
parcels that I may not cut for 10 years. My business is selling
finished gemstones, not rough. Any rough that I have left
over from a
parcel will have no stones left that can be cut for a profit.
left I usually trade to dealers cutting in Asia for either rough
larger cut stones that I can recut. I cut every single piece that
cut with my own two hands and make a profit when I sell the stone.
is my business.
If I ever do go into selling rough it will be as a dealer
and not a
sideline. Ethically selling rough gemstones is a business
all in itself
and I am not willing at this time to devote the time to ethically
Subject: Ceramic Lap
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:18:38 -0500
From: "Ron" <email@example.com>
I just want to thank the members for thier help and advice on using
Regards to all,
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:25:36 -0800
From: Bud Schroeder <firstname.lastname@example.org>
This is something that has bothered me for some time. How does a
copyright on a facet diagram work? If I cut a stone and then
I find out
the diagram has been copyrighted , Do I owe the one that has the
a fee for cutting the stone ? Is like a patent, you can't patent
I cannot see how these people can come up with a new facet diagram
7000 out there. Look in Datavue. I thought when you came up with
idea or a diagram , You shared it with others I am old fashioned.
In the center
of So. Cal.
Subject: Is your design good enough to enter the USFG Faceting List
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:06:52 -0500
To: Faceters List<email@example.com>
From: Dan Clayton <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I guess we will have more entries in the USFG Faceting List than
suspected. I was almost depressed at the response until the last
three days. But Robert Strickland has entered a very interesting
design. I think it will win but I'm not sure it will be the best
looking stone in our design and cut portion. That will be held at
OPLC Hobnob on Feb. 4th 2003. That portion of the competition will
a beauty contest for any designs that were entered by Jan 10 2003
then cut and displayed at the hobnob. There will also be a
contest for any unmounted stone you wish to enter at the OPLC
I got a couple questions from people wondering if their design was
good enough to enter. One of the members here asked me today if
his design is good enough to enter. I would be proud to have his
design in the contest. He has only been designing about two or three
weeks and I think it is great he started to design because of this
contest. There are only a couple major disqualifications. One is
having fractional indices. I know it is possible to cut a design
that but I want to do it in this lifetime please. If I see one of
these I will show the designer how to fix it and transfer to the
coached class because they didn't do all the work. If you have a
design with concave facets I can not judge your design with our
software but i would love to hear how you do concave designs. If
you are a beginner with a design please enter. We do have some
mentors who can make suggestions. I am proud they made the effort
to enter and I hope they will continue to design even if just for
piece of rough that doesn't fit an existing design, to fix
other little modifications that will make your life more interesting.
Good luck all and thank you Thurmond for listing my contest
announcement every day. It seems strange but the USFG List does
not do that.
Hi Dan, No problem, Glad to do it.
RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~
Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
then enter www.liccini.com
RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com
RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~
Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com
FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~
*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, email@example.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters
Don Cameron: firstname.lastname@example.org
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, email@example.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller, email@example.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, firstname.lastname@example.org
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, email@example.com
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch firstname.lastname@example.org
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, email@example.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, firstname.lastname@example.org)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write
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He put the biggest sign of all over his own shop-it read...
REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:
" True satisfaction with one's life is accepting what is, continuing
for what can be, while letting go of what we thought needed to be."
--- Author Unknown ---
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For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition. It
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.'
Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note:
The designs and rules
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."
information is needed, please contact me at <firstname.lastname@example.org>.
Subject: First USFG faceting list design competition.
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:29:21 -0800
From: Dan Clayton <email@example.com>
First USFG faceting list design competition.
Design: Hexagon or Hexagon Cushion in Colorless or Colored
Judging: Highest number for total ISO values at 0, 10, 20,30, 40
and 50 degree tilt with five degree head shadow in GemFramx will
win. Example parameters are given below to achieve this configuration.
Online designs must be submitted by January 10, 2003. Design and
cut entries should have the design posted by that date but stone
will take place at the OPLC Hobnob in Tucson in February 2003.
Publication: All entries will be posted on the USFG faceting list
and possibly on the USFG site as well. Designs may be included in
a USFG list CD. Designers maintain copyright to their designs but
must allow posting on the USFG faceting list site. Posting or publishing
elsewhere is not only permitted but encouraged.
Followup: Additional contests may be held for other shapes and
materials if there is sufficient interest and participation.
starting tilt direction 0
ending tilt direction 5 (default)
maximum tilt angle 50
no ( you can enter yes if you wish
but it will fill your disk )
starting file #
increment each run if you wish to save images
Values for ISO will be summed and used as ISO total.
ISO Total will be deciding factor in judging but there will be 30
points deducted for a missed meetpoint. Fractional
Special recognition will be given to most original design as determined
by team of four judges selected by Jeff Ford or delegate/s.
all work must be done by one individual. In the
case of a fractional indices or an incomplete design a design
coach will explain how the problem can be fixed and the
entry will be moved to Coached class.
more than one individual from a club, guild or area may work together
as a team. If an individual wishes coaching they may do so
work must be done by the entrant with only suggestions by coach.
means Fred Van Sant or some other designer can not do a design that
enter as your own. I encourage friends, club/guild members to enter
team. Do not hesitate to enter if you need some coaching. We have
mentors who are happy to help you.
for a public domain design or a copyrighted design that the copyright
gives you permission to use. You enter design with modified angles,
or deleted tiers which gives "optimum" performance as
determined by ISO
total. We will post at least two very basic designs you can enhance
Design and Cut,
design will be posted and ISO Total noted but beauty of the finished
will be the judging criteria. Stones will be judged at the OPLC
Tucson. Individual, Team/Coached and Modified designs will be judged
I hope this format will encourage design and optimization
newcomers to get involved and hopefully develop their skills. All
entries will be posted on the site and may drive some traffic and
I think ISO Total is as good as any single value to evaluate design
performance but we will look to improve criteria in the future.
FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention
California June 6-7-8, 2003
You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.
The Faceters Symposium will feature ten
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.
The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.
For information & costs regarding the
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.
Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630
LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:
KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis
ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri)
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: firstname.lastname@example.org
INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields.
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ email@example.com.
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting
cabbing please e-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org
TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: email@example.com
firstname.lastname@example.org or telephone
361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!
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