LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST
Issue No.44 - Wednesday January 15, 2003
Moderated by: Thurmond Moore III
Committed to carrying on the fine works started
by Hale Sweeny and Jerry Dewbre
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Index to Today's Digest
01 Re: Newbie Garnet question
02 Re: Newbie Garnet question
03 RE: COPYRIGHTS
04 OPLC get together in Tucson and "The Contest"
05 Tucson 2003 Invitation
Subject: RE: a newbie [rhodolite garnet] question
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:37:54 -0800
From: "Jill St. Michael" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I can add a comment about the rough Rhodolite I've graded - kilos,
piece, from a variety of sources/suppliers. I'd say, of the entire
regardless of the source, about 30% has ever been good, quality,
material. Most varieties of Garnet - Andradite, Spessartite, Hessonite,
Tsavorite (green grossular), Pyrope and Rhodolite - are very often
The most common inclusions I've seen in Rhodolite are bubbles (tiny
large), crystals, silk, and occasionally, "tree stumps."
At least that's
what they look like under 10x... :-)
Hope to hear others' experience with this material's inclusions...or
material's inclusions, for that matter. It's a fascinating topic
enormously helpful with gem ID.
Subject: Re: Garnets
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:50:44 EST
I have studied the art of gem faceting enough to know it is something
get into down the road. I know that these stones are too small for
just am disgusted at the wasted time and money.
Politely, I made an error in buying from this supplier. Past good
then bam very bad that is an old cooking trade problem. Hiding the
under good ones to slip a bad case through. (I am a retired chef)
I will just frankly find a new supplier and keep buying from several
I will also let the previous supplier know that this practice was
acceptable and that I am very concerned.
I appreciate all the information. I have a lot to learn about gemstones.
I like it because it seems there is never a way too know too much
something to learn. Just like cooking.
I sell faceting stones to pay the bills so that I may work the rest
time in my studio carving cameos and now gemstones.
I will be reading and listening.
Subject: RE: Copyright
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 01:44:54 -0600
To: Faceter's Digest <email@example.com>
From: gembin <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Thanks to all of you for the information on copyrights concerning
designs. My reason for asking is we had a bad experience with copyrights
17 years ago.
A group of us St. Louis area Lennox heating/cooling dealers had
for several years on TV co - sponsoring the St. Louis Cardinal Baseball
Our ad agency suggested we make a outstanding Christmas commercial
viewers our appreciation for their patronizing us. We went "all
out" for this TV
It was in November. Our ad agency had arranged for our group (12
sing a Christmas Carol in front of a beautiful mansion home that
the home owner
had graciously given us permission. It was cold as "Billy Be
Derned" that night
and the agency had brought a snow blowing machine as the weather
was forecast to
be clear. We were all dressed in suits, ties and the ladies were
their attire with their pompous hair - do's. We also were about
ready to freeze
it was sooo cccolddd!
The TV camera crew were taking the picture inside the huge living
room with the
camera opening on an extreme close-up on a beautiful fancy large
hanging on a limb. Then the camera zoomed back showing the entire
decorated 10 foot high Christmas tree standing in front of Cape
Cod paned glass
windows. Then zooming with the edge of the Christmas tree showing,
windows onto our group holding carol booklets as the carolers. About
real snow flakes started falling!
Each time they shot, we sang the entire Christmas Carol. Then we
had to stand
there while the camera crew examined the tape to see if it was a
"take". We had
to have them retake many times. The snow turned into a blizzard!
someone would move wrong, not sing, not smile, wipe their nose or
were all wet frozen pups, women's hair do's turned to mops, but
finally "wrapped it" about an hour or so later, it was
an outstanding commercial
with the carol beautifully done! We were really proud of it.
It aired on various St. Louis TV stations for about a week. Then
thing hit us. The Christmas Carol, "XXXXXXXXXXXX" was
copyrighted! We had to pay
a royalty for each TV showing. Future showings would throw us far
We had to pay a bundle for that commercial... and then had to pull
That's why I was concerned about "copyfighting" concerning
copyright of faceted
Thanks for your information,
Doug "Rhodolite" Smith
Alton, Illinois, USA
Subject: OPLC get together in Tucson and "The Contest"
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:14:06 -0800
From: Don Rogers <Don@Campbell-gemstones.com>
Just to let anyone who might be interested, I am going to be at
Hob Nob and show off my RayDial. Unfortunately, from Dave's
last note to
me, he and Marcus will not be there. It is a shame as I would
love to meet
them. Anyway, Rob has offered one of the clubs machines with
indicator for the contest. It should be fun. After all,
this is what it
is all about isn't it?
Subject: Tucson 2003 Invitation
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 06:03:52 -0300
To: LapidaryArtsDigest <email@example.com>
From: "Robert P. Lowe Jr." <firstname.lastname@example.org>
February 6 - February 11, 2003
LOWE ASSOCIATES - Robert P. Lowe Jr. invites you
to visit us in
Booth # 205 at the GJX - Gem & Jewelry Exchange, Downtown Tucson,
TOURMALINES - in Greens, Pinks, Indicolite, Rubelite, Salmon, Yellow,
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Brazilian Opals - Crystal & Boulder, rare Purple Topaz Specimens,
Amethyst, Morganite, Faceted Gemstone Beads, Emeralds - faceted,
cabochon, carved & Slices, Emerald Faceting Rough, Emerald Crystals,
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Rough - Dark Aquamarine, Amethyst, Citrine, Spessartite garnet,
Lowe Associates - Robert P. Lowe Jr.
Rua do Mirante, 573
13801-100 Mogi Mirim, SP, Brasil
e-mail: < email@example.com
> in USA
e-mail: < firstname.lastname@example.org
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RESOURCES FOR LAPIDARIES ~
Hale Sweeny's Lapidary Digest Archives http://www.lapidarydigest.com/
International Lapidary Association http://www.gemcutters.org
then enter www.liccini.com
RESOURCES FOR FACETER'S ~
Fac-Ette Manufacturing Company: (910)256-9248
Raytech Industries: http://www.raytech-ind.com
Rock Peddler: 1-800-416-4348 / www.rockpeddler.com
RESOURCES FOR GEMOLOGISTS ~
Accredited Gemologists Association, http://aga.polygon.net/
American Gem Society, (AGS) 702-255-6500
American Gem Trade Association, (AGTA) http://www.agta.org
Gemmological Assc. & GTL / Great Britain, http://www.gagtl.ac.uk/gagtl
Gemmological Association of Australia, http://www.gem.org.au
Gemological Institute of America, (GIA) http://www.gia.edu.giagem
International Gem Society (IGS) web site is: http://www.gemsociety.org
International Colored Gemstone Association, http://www.gemstone.org
My Gemologist http://www.mygemologist.com
FACETING GUILDS (Alphabetically, World) ~
*Charleston Faceting Guild, South Carolina, email@example.com.
*Columbia-Willamette Faceter's Guild, http://www.facetersguild.com/
*Danish Faceters Guild, http://medlem.spray.se/danfacet/
*East/Central Florida:Tomoka Gem and Mineral Society's Faceters
Don Cameron: firstname.lastname@example.org
*Eastern Mass Faceter's Group, email@example.com
*Faceter's Forum Society-LaPorte, IN VESteele@aol.com
*Faceter's Guild of N. California, Wayne Meissner, firstname.lastname@example.org
*Faceter's Guild of S. California, Jerry W. Carroll, (818)348-6327
*Intermountain Faceter's Guild, Carl M. Unruh, (360)385-3753
*Midwest Faceter's Guild, Tyler Miller, email@example.com
*Mid-Williamette Faceters Guild, Albany, Oregon, Michael E. Bumcrot;
E-mail @ MBumcrot@valleyoilco.com
*Moreton Bay is a branch of the Australian Facetors' Guild, Brisbane,
*New Mexico Faceter's Guild, Nancy Attaway, firstname.lastname@example.org
*North Puget Sound Faceting Guild, Keith Wyman, email@example.com
*Tacoma Faceting Guild, Chuck Bloch firstname.lastname@example.org
*Texas Faceter's Guild, Jill Rowlands, email@example.com
*Seattle Faceting Club (LeonardBahr@prodigy.net)
*United States Faceting Guild (Keith Wyman, firstname.lastname@example.org)
*Vancouver Island Faceters' Guild - British Columbia, Canada.
(Add your faceting organization here, US or International - Write
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REFLECTIONS AND TIDBITS:
" He who knows not and knows not he knows not, he is a fool.
He who knows not and knows he knows not, he is simple.
He who knows and knows not he knows, he is asleep.
He who knows and knows he knows, he is wise.
--- Author Unknown ---
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Rough to Cut
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:50:44 -0800
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Tunduri Garnet $10/g, eye clean-slightly included
Pink Tourmaline $20/g, eye clean-slightly included
Red Tourmaline $10/g, slight-moderately included
Bicolor Tourmaline $15/g, eye clean
Watermelon Tourmaline $20/g eye clean
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Blue, Green & Blue/Green Sapphires $35/g, eye clean-slightly
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For All National and International Masters, Past-Masters and
This post is simply a reminder that in 2003 the USFG will host its
first National and International Faceting Competition. It
the North American Faceting Challenge -- 'NAFC.'
Since the designs
and rules were first published in the 2001 September Issue of
USFG's Newsletter, and since they have not been published since
some of you, who are most capable - skill-wise, may not
know about the competition, and some of you may have forgotten.
"NAFC" is an OPEN Competition. Please note:
The designs and rules
can be downloaded at <http://www.usfacetersguild.org/events.shtml>.
The closing date is June 20th, 2003; the amount of time between
present date and June 20th, 2003 should be enough for all Master
cutters to cut the two required designs -- Fred Van Sant's "Four
Star," and Charles Covill's "Wind Wheel No. 2."
information is needed, please contact me at <firstname.lastname@example.org>.
FACETERS SYMPOSIUM 2003
Presented by the Faceter's Guild of Southern California
At the Seaside GEMboree AFMS/CFMS Convention
California June 6-7-8, 2003
You are invited to participate in the Faceters
Symposium 2003 which will be held at the Seaside Park
(Ventura Fairgrounds) at Ventura, California during the
AFMS/CFMS Convention & Show. The Faceters Symposium dates
are June 6th, 7th, & 8th. That is Friday, Saturday, &
Sunday. The CFMS GEMboree is on those dates as well as on
Thursday the 5th of June. All of this is at the same
location, just a hundred yards from the beach.
The Faceters Symposium will feature ten
will have presentations covering various parts of gemstone
faceting interests. A Hospitality Hour on Friday evening
and a Saturday Awards Luncheon are also part of the
Symposium. There will be competitions at the Novice,
Advanced, & Masters levels. Get started on your
competition entry soon.
The CFMS GEMboree itself will have buildings
exhibits on display, dealers with their wares to offer,
demonstrators to show how it is done, and speakers with
presentations covering other lapidary fields of interest.
For information & costs regarding the
Symposium (including competition information), your contact
is listed below. Ask for one of the Packets. Be sure
state your snail mailing address so that a Packet can be
mailed to you.
Glenn Klein, Chairman
24001 Muirlands Blvd., Space #79
Lake Forest, CA 92630
LAPIDARY ARTS and FACETERS DIGEST PERSONALS:
KANSAS: If anyone in the central portion of the country from Oklahoma
to Wichita to Kansas City would be interested in forming something
Flatland Facet Guild or some such name give me a line at
Larry W. Davis
ILLINOIS - MISSOURI (Central Area, hubed around St. Louis, Missouri)
group of 4 faceters have met and we had a great time. We intend
again and would like to have fellow faceters join our group. I received
email from another Newbie that expressed interest in attending our
together. Faceters from any and all areas are welcome... It's swell
personally and exchange tips and hints! COME JOIN OUR GROUP! It's
Doug Smith, Alton, IL .at: email@example.com
INDIANA: I moved to Valparaiso, (Northwest) Indiana, about three
Are there any clubs in this area? or is there anyone interested
one? I do faceting and some cabbing. Not much here but cornfields.
scenery, but I get sooooooo lonely. LOL Let me know. (Bill) "William
S.E. LOUISIANA: Anyone in or around the New Orleans, LA area wishing
form a club or have get togethers for faceting, discussions, cabbing,
procurement, etc. Please contact me via email @ firstname.lastname@example.org.
Bird - Chalmette, LA)
MISSISSIPPI: If anyone is near Meridian Mississippi and would be
in forming some kind of club or just get together with faceting
cabbing please e-mail me at email@example.com
TEXAS: Anyone in the Corpus Christi or Coastal Bend area that is
in starting a local faceter's guild contact me at: firstname.lastname@example.org
email@example.com or telephone
361-857-2405 (days) or 361-992-1296
WASHINGTON DC.(Rockville Md area) Looking for folks to get together
occasionally to facet. I have just started faceting and am also
in sphere making (infinate # of facets) Robert Winfield
Lurking is fine, but participation is more fun!! Get involved!!
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